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Aesthetics need o be done by the end of the month so decisions need to be made soon.

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Looking at the mock up today, the gap in graphics from front to side will alleviate the problems we have in QC and production. Looks great!

Looking at the mock up today, the gap in graphics from front to side will alleviate the problems we have in QC and production. Looks great!

This addresses my concern. I do like the design too :)

@samantha @west @tutley Will you please look over this file to make sure my sheet metal drawing is accurate? I used josh's as a reference but want to make sure there weren't issues due to using inkscape.

@mcoronado

the holes around the lcd wont be visible from the outside. not sure if that really matters for this drawing

also the scale is likely not 1:1 unless you are printing this on a huge piece of paper lol

other than that i think it looks good!

Since everyone is on board with the graphics, next step will be to get the art in a format that works for our sheet metal supplier(s). We worked with @samantha on getting the art for TAZ 6 dimensioned properly on actual engineering drawings vs. what we creatives can kludge together in Inkscape with a PDF.

@jessica @tutley At this point we (@mcoronado and I) will assume that you've got it from here unless we hear otherwise, in which case, just let us know what you need and we'll turn things around as quickly as possible.

Thanks!

@samantha @tutley as soon as you give the go we will get FA's on order!

@mcoronado Weiser is working with their paint shop on satin vs gloss samples. As soon as i see those I will get them over to you!

@kim I let Weiser know they will see an RFQ for FA's today or Monday!

Thanks all for your work to get this done so quickly!

@mcoronado I agree with @tutley in regards to the feedback on that file.

@benmalouf We will need individual graphics files in SVG format, that we can import into FreeCAD. We can probably just get numbers from measuring the drawing @mcoronado posted for now.

OK, I'll see if I can get those SVGs added to this ticket today. MC is out, so if I can't find everything or have issues, it will be Monday.

SVG files attached. These should all be scaled relative to one-another, but I'm not sure how they'll import into FreeCAD. Let me know if you need anything else!

@benmalouf

Thank you for getting those files for me, those seem to be working great. However, I have encountered a bug in our current build of FreeCAD that is preventing me from completing the drawings with dimensions at this time. I have submitted a ticket as T3204.

@benmalouf @mcoronado @tutley @west

Is the screening on the FP0153 (Quiver Interconnect cover) staying the same?

west added a comment.Aug 6 2018, 7:59 AM

As far as I know there wont be any since we are adding the bbb/ raspberry pi holes to the cover and that could potentially interfere with the current artwork
@mcoronado I think this is up to you. We could add the current artwork but may have to shift some words up or down a hair

benmalouf added a comment.EditedAug 7 2018, 3:11 PM

Michael and I had discussed and agreed that the screening isn't really adding anything to the interconnect cover aside from expense and complexity. I think we can add an image to the documentation for the machine that accomplishes the same thing.

Edit: added "to the interconnect cover" for clarity

I think that I like that thought! Matte is a go, Weiser is aware and if their screener has questions they will reach out!

A workaround has been found for the FreeCAD issue and the silk screen information has been added to the drawings.

This one should be good to close. If so, please close it down. Thanks

west added a comment.Sep 10 2018, 2:49 PM

I think we need to decide on printed part colors
@mcoronado

nickp raised the priority of this task from High to Needs Triage.Sep 11 2018, 12:29 PM
nickp triaged this task as High priority.Sep 13 2018, 11:31 AM

Meeting with @mcoronado today went well.

Printed part color scheme will be mocked when marketing gets the printer.

A printer will be ready for pickup on Monday for the marketing team.

@nickp Can you please break the screen aesthetics discussion away from printed part aesthetics discussion. This is 2 separate topics. Thanks

nickp renamed this task from Silkscreen/Aesthetics for Quiver to Aesthetics for Quiver.Sep 13 2018, 12:06 PM
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@mcoronado It's getting down to that line were we need decisions on printed part colors. I'm going to set a deadline for the end of this month which gives you 7 working days.
That sound reasonable to you?

@nickp Just back from PTO. I'll need more time if possible. Oct 4 should do, does that work for you?

Ah, hope you enjoyed!! Yeah, that works but no longer then that lol

I'm compiling marketing feedback into a doc for other possible changes. I'll will provide tomorrow.
Here are 3 color scheme options:

west added a comment.Oct 1 2018, 4:13 PM

I like the third image for both aesthetics and mechanical reasons. Not a huge fan of the TAZ 7 logo on the shroud, maybe at most just the dual emblem?

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 1 2018, 4:21 PM

@west Good call on the dual emblem!

west added a comment.Oct 1 2018, 4:22 PM

I like that a lot better!

@west I like the cleaner look of it for sure. We have the LulzBot logo etched on the bed, so both could potentially show up in photos if taken from a downward angle. Are we concerned that close-ups of the tool head could cause confusion regarding whether this is an entirely new brand of 3D printer? Maybe the Cowling could be designed with a spot in mind for "LULZBOT"?
@Hob thoughts?

karrad added a comment.Oct 2 2018, 7:25 AM

Just a note, we will need a "Caution Hot" in french and english somewhere on the front of that tool head for UL certs. (Design looks great btw)

Just so everyone is on the same page. The dual print for the fan shroud hasn't been officially approved. There needs to be some dual printing work/dialing in done before that can happen. The two options for the caution hot would be the dual print in that location (stretch) or a plate mounted in that same location.

@tutley has some prints of the shroud with the caution hot in a dual print. He can post a photo of one.

That's the latest info I have.

west added a comment.Oct 2 2018, 8:25 AM

@mcoronado I dont think there would be much confusion. The toolhead follows previous aero designs and looks similar to those

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 3 2018, 2:45 PM

@west @tutley @nickp
Here's some marketing feedback regarding Quiver aesthetics and UX:
/home/aleph/shared-j/Documents/Creative/Industrial_Design/TAZ_7/ColorScheme_and_UX/Quiver_ColorScheme_and_ux_MarketingRecommendations.odt

tutley added a comment.Oct 3 2018, 3:15 PM

@mcoronado

  • USB port reliability issue should be resolved with latest firmware
  • Branding on the front of the shroud is not necessarily a "must have" its more of a desired feature.
  • The cap can be redesigned but that will take time. A lot of people have said they like the current cap.
  • the grey and green print and back buttons should be fixed with latest firmware
  • the threaded holes outside the touchscreen will not be there on new sheet metal
  • legacy support for sd cards, recommend using a USB to SD adapter
  • fan shroud allowing better visibility of nozzle, this will remove the cooling from the front of the nozzle and thus remove 360 degree cooling
  • fan shroud extends to hide cables. this would require large flanges that go up the sides of the toolhead and would make the shroud harder to print or require it to be split into multiple parts. The wires move with the actuated extruder, the fan shroud is fixed.
  • usb drive is planned to come with printer
  • location of usb port will not be changed

@nickp Can you please break the screen aesthetics discussion away from printed part aesthetics discussion. This is 2 separate topics. Thanks

@nickp - Can you please create two tasks, 1 for metal / aesthetics and 1 for plastic / aesthetics? These should be separate. Once we have all screened FA's in I would like any discussion on that not to be lost in the wrong thread.

nickp renamed this task from Aesthetics for Quiver to Quiver Aesthetics - Printed Parts.Oct 4 2018, 8:00 AM
west added a comment.Oct 8 2018, 11:45 AM

@mcoronado go into further detail about the "bulky" cap

west added a comment.Oct 8 2018, 2:53 PM

Also, I feel like having legacy support for usb to sd is counter progressive. On quiver we have moved away from legacy toolhead mounting ( cant mount dual v1-3, singlestruder, flexystruder) and the glcd (moved to the clcd) it seems odd to hold onto the legacy sd card when everything else on this machine is moving forward. People are likely to have usb drives over sd cards. The only instances where they might have an sd card is either they have a camera or a reprap printer. Moving away from sd shows the world this is no longer a hobbyist printer, this printer is ready for anything

@west the usb thing is a pretty small ask that gives users an additional tool that could use and let's people know that their experience is important to us. We have users with sd cards dedicated to their print files. We're asking them to transfer their files to usb before they start using their shiny new TAZ 7. It's a negative experience that can be prevented with a fairly low cost gesture. Pending some critical path to viability, let's see if we can make this happen.

west added a comment.Oct 8 2018, 3:25 PM

@mcoronado theres no reason to transfer the files from sd to usb since its a completely different printer ie new start g code

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 8 2018, 3:40 PM

@west can the tool head cap be better aligned, simpler and better reflect the angles used in other parts of the printer? Some of the curvilinear features create areas that are difficult to print and introduce aesthetics that aren't seen anywhere else on the printer (z-lowers have a corner radius). I've attached a few photos including a crude GIMP mock-up because it's easier for me to show than describe.

west added a comment.EditedOct 8 2018, 3:58 PM

The extruder cap (the part connected to the extruder) cant be separate as it is preventing unwanted tension on the actuator ribbon cable. The cable is not very durable and can break. The left harness is mounted to the same printed part to ensure that E1 and E2 dont accidentally get swapped some how and it is the proper way to remove connectors- removing the connector with the clip instead of the connector with the clip being stationary. The cap cant be any shorter because of how tall the actuators are

The vertical holes that can be seen on the front are how the extruder cap is mounted to the extruder.

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 8 2018, 4:21 PM

@west I guess the idea is too look for opportunities to reduce bulk and dead space. The other thing i noticed while sketching is if the printed parts imply halves that accentuate the extruder movement, the tool looks less like a robot face (forgive me if that's the idea).

Just spit-ballin' ideas :)

Liking these new designs @mcoronado. Especially the 45's which mirror some of the parts on the z-axis assemblies. @tutley I would say the branding on the tool head should be a must. Brand awareness is a huge aspect of our growth plan and to not having branding front and center on our machine is a huge missed opportunity. Just take a look at some of the printers we're up against.
https://ultimaker.com/photo/topic/1920x1080/5ad8a9b36edda/Hero-image8.jpg
https://i.all3dp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/26140630/Raise3D-N2-Plus-Features-e1532523634138-1284x722.jpg
https://www.supplychimp.com/media/extendware/ewimageopt/media/inline/83/4/makerbot-mp07825-replicator-3d-printer-39d.jpg

tutley added a comment.Oct 9 2018, 8:04 AM

@eBeardslee either we get branding on the toolhead or we get UL cert, For UL there must be a hot label front and center on the toolhead.

tutley added a comment.Oct 9 2018, 8:05 AM

@eBeardslee I designed a y idler cover that has branding, thats front and center and i think it looks good. @mcoronado should have an example

Hob added a comment.Oct 9 2018, 8:21 AM

Totally agree. We should act like the leader and make it clear "who we are/what they are using" in areas where typical photos are taken and where highest use occurs!

Hob added a comment.Oct 9 2018, 8:23 AM

.... and since we are selling dual print capability, we should demonstrate it in our labeling....

Steven added a comment.Oct 9 2018, 8:40 AM

@Hob @mcoronado @eBeardslee
Few questions:

  • Are these changes to the tool head worth delaying the time line? Any changes like this take away from functional testing we also have to complete. If there is agreement of delay, that is fine, I just want to establish that we're all on the same page. We can make an estimate of how long the delay will be and update here.
  • Is there any reason that this logo or brand mark has to go on the fan duct where we also HAVE to place a hot warning label? Can the brand mark go somewhere else on the tool head? @ebeard all of the examples you've provided, only MB has a mark on the tool head.
mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 11 2018, 5:46 PM

@west We're a big fan of the redesigned cap. Here are a few mock-ups with a LulzBot decal on the actuator and UL caution label options. @Hob @eBeardslee

@mcoronado I prefer the white text caution label. For the brand label, is that meant to be an adhesive label? If so, that isn't going to work as it would have to be ripped off to remove an actuator for repair. Are you available to meet with @west and I in R&D this afternoon, October 15th?

west added a comment.Oct 15 2018, 12:55 PM

@mcoronado do you have dimensions for the lulzbot logo? I know you sent me 50mm x 10mm for the ul plate

Hob added a comment.Oct 15 2018, 1:10 PM

Josh, nice solution! by raising it 3mm we get that whole beveled face for the logo.

@mcoronado - Can you confirm Outage as the LB font and Titillium as the caution font?

@jessica Outage is the font for LulzBot (with also should be accompanied by a ® set in Titillium in the lower right). The caution text is set in Titillium Semi-Bold

@jessica I think it would be better if we provided ready artwork rather than give them the font. I'm concerned the layout is not going to match our normal layout.

@Hob @mcoronado We need a official decision on the newest "Lid" and an official decision on the color for printed parts and what printed parts those will be.

Thanks folks.

@jessica Caution artwork was posted on another ticket:
T3841

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 24 2018, 11:27 AM

@west

What would it look like to print LULZBOT lettering in the bevel of the new Quiver cap? I woul think that a negative relief would look and print best. thoughts?

@mcoronado Are we going with the lid, with or without the lettering?

Also, how about printed part colors?

Thank you

@nickp, @west is testing a lid with the lettering that looks pretty good so far. We'll add photos once it is done.

@Hob @eBeardslee

https://code.alephobjects.com/T3078#68942

  • the 3D printed text is cool if we can dial it in a bit more. It would be good to see the etched plate also for comparison. @west what's the status on the plate? If we have an asset tag sourced I can provide artwork if needed.
  • I think the z-lowers should be green, the y-axis rod bumpers should be green, and is the slot on the right of the carriage a definite no for a green insert? May be a question for @Steven

I think resonance/ghosting is going to be an issue with these

@west @tutley Thanks for trying it out. The etched plate and the color will look good. I'll work on vector art for the plate. Do you guys know if we've picked a product/vendor for this yet? If not, I'm happy to get it going. Please let me know what your recommended specs are (not sure how you plan to adhere to the tool head lid).

@mcoronado i believe @jessica was looking into it. The plan is to have some holes in the etched plate and fasten it with some M2 screws

I have been waiting for "approved" artwork to send off. I have a vendor in mind. Is it linked in a different ticket by chance, I am not seeing it above!

mcoronado added a comment.EditedOct 25 2018, 8:58 AM

@jessica Do you mind pointing me to that ticket? I can't do artwork without specs.

@jessica @tutley do we have confirmed size of the tag given to @mcoronado ? We should confirm the tag will fit on the fan shroud before we order anything.

To be clear, the Caution: Hot asset final art for the fan shroud and the back of the tool head is complete. Please see T3841

The specs I need for the for the laser etched LulzBot plaque that will go on the tool head lid. @west will you please send me the dimensions for the bevel on the lid? @jessica who do you like for a vendor?

@mcoronado here is a printed cap with the lettering raised instead of being a relief. The logo definitely stands out better, but i still think the resonance/ghosting will cause a lot of production fallout.

sorry for the warped cap

@mcoronado the bevel is about 17mm x 94mm

@tutley The raised lettering does look better. I think you're right though, doesn't quite meet our standards especially for such a prominent focal point. @Hob @eBeardslee @Orias What do you think?

@mcoronado I think we'll also see quality repetition issues in the cluster with the raised letters. Plus, with a tag we could have the letters printed in LulzBot green which will be more obvious.

@Steven Good Call @tutley @west Thank you for taking the time to try it out.

There is a concern about the green bump stops. I mentioned this in T4308

@mcoronado I would like to recommend we change the bump stops to black urethane rather than green per F2222987. It looks like the solid lubricant from the bushings or something else is gathering on the bump stump. Any objections?

@mcoronado sorry nevermind. I missed that you already answered this on T4308. Reading is hard :(

Steven closed this task as Resolved.Nov 16 2018, 3:06 PM

I'm going to close this ticket out as there isn't anything else I know that is outstanding other than T4410 T3841.