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We will need to determine how many profiles we want at release. Do we need three profiles per material? How many and what combinations do we need to support the dual tool head?

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adam created this task.Jul 27 2018, 3:33 PM
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Talked to @anolen today about what profiles and materials we need to support at release. We came up with a list based on what we think, but we need to have that verified by what we will say in marketing materials and in how we are planning to sell this printer's capabilities (e.g. we can't talk about how useful living hinges are if we don't support a rigid/flexible material combination).

Here's what's listed in the spec sheet:

Priority order:
All standard filaments – ABS, PLA, Co-polyester, Polymides, PVA, BVOH, PETG
Flexy filaments
Abrasive filaments – Glass filled, Carbon Fiber (stretch)

The spec sheet is on own if this information is needed in the future.

nickp reassigned this task from nickp to anolen.Aug 13 2018, 12:31 PM
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Here is a rough draft of the list I plan to test out, please comment any additions, adjustments or advice!

PLA + PLA (different colors)
PVA + PLA
ABS + ABS (different colors)
ABS + HIPS
PLA + NINJAFLEX
ABS + NINJAFLEX
NINJAFLEX + NINJAFLEX (different colors)
PETG +PETG (different colors)
PETG + PVA
PETG + NINJAFLEX
NYLON + ???????

anolen raised the priority of this task from Normal to Needs Triage.Aug 14 2018, 10:23 AM
adam added a comment.Sep 10 2018, 2:45 PM

I would like to clarify that the NYLON + ??? means that we want to test which materials in the list above will bond well to polyamides (nylons) in order to produce unique engineering solutions as single prints. e.g. a rigid body with abrasion resistant/smoother bushings/contact surfaces printed in nylon.

Status Update: Waiting for tested data to determine.

MikeR added a subscriber: MikeR.Nov 19 2018, 3:47 PM

@anolen are we gonna test any filaments with the water soluble material? Like the abrasive filaments with water soluble.

anolen added a comment.EditedNov 19 2018, 3:51 PM

@MikeR Not to my knowledge at this time. I am not sure if Quiver is going to have HS nozzles or Nickle plated copper. And even if we do HS, we may run into an issue with the smaller extrusion diameter (0.5 vs 0.8 and 1.2)

tutley added a subscriber: tutley.Nov 20 2018, 7:14 AM

@anolen Quiver will have HS nozzles and a HS hob

It sounds like something I would want to test then. We will have to recommend they bake the part after soaking it tho since its nylon and it will get weak once it absorbs all the moisture it can. Testing all that will depend on time but I'll add it to the list!

Water Solubles should work really well with the filled PA's. It sticks very well to all our existing nylons

anolen added a comment.EditedNov 20 2018, 7:43 AM

Sounds good here is our current updated list for testing 😃

PLA + PLA (different colors)
PVA + PLA
ABS + ABS (different colors)
ABS + HIPS
PLA + NINJAFLEX
ABS + NINJAFLEX
NINJAFLEX + NINJAFLEX (different colors)
PETG +PETG (different colors)
PETG + PVA
PETG + NINJAFLEX
NYLON + POLYDISSOLVE
ABRASIVES + POLYDISSOLVE

jebba added a subscriber: jebba.Dec 15 2018, 4:30 PM

I suggest adding PC-Max as it is our strongest material. With Polydissolve would be great. It prints much easier than the nylons and it has their strength and heat resistance.

This is the list of my expected pairing tests. Some of these may not end up being supported but for now, this is the combination list I am working from. Let me know if I am missing anything or if there is anything I can toss off the list.

ABS – IC3D + ABS – IC3D
ABS – CHROMA + ABS – CHROMA
ABS – IC3D + ABS – CHROMA
ABS – IC3D + HIPS – VILLAGE
ABS – CHROMA + HIPS – VILLAGE
ABS – IC3D + NINJAFLEX
ABS – CHROMA + NINJAFLEX
ABS – IC3D + POLYDISSOLVE
ABS – CHROMA + POLYDISSOLVE
ABS – CHROMA + PETG – IC3D
ABS – IC3D + PETG – IC3D
BRIDGE NYLON + BRIDGE NYLON
BRIDGE NYLON + POLYDISSOLVE
NINJAFLEX + NINJAFLEX
NINJAFLEX + PETG – IC3D
NINJAFLEX + PLA – POLYMAKER
NINJAFLEX + PLA – VERBATIM
NINJAFLEX + POLYDISSOLVE
PA-CF – COLORFABB + POLYDISSOLVE
PC-MAX + POLYDISSOLVE
PETG – IC3D + PETG – IC3D
PETG – IC3D + POLYDISSOLVE
PETG – IC3D + PLA – POLYMAKER
PETG – IC3D + PLA – VERBATIM
PLA – POLYMAKER + PLA – POLYMAKER
PLA – VERBATIM + PLA – VERBATIM
PLA – POLYMAKER + PLA – VERBATIM
PLA – POLYMAKER + POLYDISSOLVE
PLA – VERBATIM + POLYDISSOLVE

anolen reassigned this task from anolen to karrad.Jan 11 2019, 3:26 PM

Just a note here, we had a hard time getting PVA and Polydissolve to stick to nGen, and PETG when creating profiles for the v3. PETG is used in coke and water bottles, specifically used as it is hard to get stuff to stick to it.

Good to know, Ill keep an eye out for issues there so I don't spend too much time on it. Gracias!

jebba added a comment.Jan 11 2019, 4:54 PM

Alloy 910 + Polydissolve would be good to have on the list, as it is our other strongest material (besides PC-Max).

jebba edited subscribers, added: matth; removed: benmalouf.Jan 11 2019, 5:08 PM

@jebba I'll add them (PC-max and Alloy910) to the list to be supported, it may take a bit tho.

eBeardslee added a comment.EditedJan 24 2019, 12:36 PM

@anolen I think we need to put a lot of emphasis on having some very reliable soluble support options dialed in for launch.

Here are the two color material combinations we feel we should have for launch:
ABS & Ninjaflex
PA-CF & Ninjflex
PLA & PLA
ABS & ABS
PETg & PETg
Nylons & Polydissolve
Nylons & PVA
PLA & Polydissolve
PLA & PVA
Polycast & Polydissolve
Polycast & PVA

@karrad the following need to go under experimental. The ones with a ** are ones we will revisit to add soon.

ABS Village
Alloy 910
Iinen
Silk
Coffee
Conductive PLA
HIPS Village
High temp PLA (Proto
Inova 1800
Magnetic
PC Village Plastics
PC-PBT (Push
PC-ABS
PCTPE
PLA Village
Polyflex

Semiflex
steel Pla
Bronzefill
colorfabb_HT
colorfabb_xt
copperfill
nvent
nGen
tglase

woodfill

**PolyCast- Angie hasn't printed on Quiver with this, but mentioned you may have. Leaving this one up to you.

anolen added a comment.EditedFri, Mar 29, 2:51 PM

I think there was an issue with the **'s and it made a section bold instead of marking them individually.

Here is the list again:
(I think this is right)

ABS Village
Alloy 910
Iinen
Silk
Coffee
Conductive PLA
HIPS Village (finding another supplier)
High temp PLA (Proto
Inova 1800
Magnetic
PC Village Plastics
PC-PBT (Push
PC-ABS
PCTPE
PLA Village
Polyflex
Semiflex
steel Pla
Bronzefill
colorfabb_HT
colorfabb_xt
copperfill
nvent
nGen
tglase
woodfill

**PolyCast- Angie hasn't printed on Quiver with this, but mentioned you may have. Leaving this one up to you.

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@alexei Ready for review and merge to master

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alexei closed this task as Resolved.Wed, Apr 10, 12:35 PM

Merged to master.